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		<title>Keeping the Sabbath</title>
		<description>Discuss Keeping the Sabbath</description>
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			<title>Jason says:</title>
			<link>http://www.bible.org.nz/articles/keeping-the-sabbath.html#comment-18</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for your comment and questions. I hadn’t at all overlooked the “second part of Hebrews 8” but I understand it from the Scripture that he is quoting from, namely Jeremiah 31:31-34. The writer of Hebrews was writing to Jews [Hebrews] who knew their Old Testament Scripture. Jeremiah wrote: Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake , although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. This states that the future covenant was to be a NEW one, and not at all according to the OLD one. So your theory is clearly denied by Jeremiah, who was the source of the Hebrews quotation. The Jews would have immediately recalled the source and understood the quotation correctly. I also do not agree with your assertion that “remembering” requires previous knowledge. What about a teacher saying, “Remember to do your homework that I have just set you.” It here means to retain in memory from this point on—check your dictionary definition if you doubt this. The Hebrew word used is zakar, to mark (so as to be recognised). Gesenius’ Lexicon for Exod 20:8 (which you quote) has “be mindful of this day…”. Concerning specifically the Sabbath command, Nehemiah prayed to God in the hearing of the Jews of his era, “Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:” Nehemiah 9:13,14 The Law of Moses did not exist before Moses had had it revealed to him on Mt Sinai, and neither was the holy Sabbath known to them. Although God sanctified the Sabbath at Creation, it was never implemented before the time of Moses. That is why when a man broke the Sabbath rule, Moses had to ask God what he should do (Numbers 15:32-36). Paul’s letter to the Galatians emphasizes that the Old Law is a needless shackle. “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written , Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith:…” Galatians 3:10-12 The whole reason for the Law and the Ten Commandments being given is given in the same letter: “What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come [Jesus] . The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator [Moses].” Galatians 3:19 Plainly, since Jesus has come, the purpose for the Law has disappeared. So to return to your selected chapter, Hebrews 8: “By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.” Hebrews 8:13 Doesn’t this verse alone sufficiently refute your theory?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Janko says:</title>
			<link>http://www.bible.org.nz/articles/keeping-the-sabbath.html#comment-17</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Im a Christian but i believe the Ten Commandments still abide. Iam writing this with nothing but loved but you forgot to quote the second part of hebrews 8 so u made it seem that the new covanent was going to be something completely different from the ten comandments but if you read hebrews 8:10 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people." so this is not a new covanent but the old MADE NEW. You also said that it was completely new to moses when he was instructed to do it, it might be the case but u must not forget that the jewish nation spent 400years in captivity in egypt where they had got used to the egyptian culture and they were not allowed to fully practise their religion so that is why we read in the ten commandments these words "REMEMBER the sabbath day..." they had forgotten it so God reminded them.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Janko</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Jason says:</title>
			<link>http://www.bible.org.nz/articles/keeping-the-sabbath.html#comment-16</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Firstly, I would caution against denigrating the work of the apostle Paul. He was personally called to preach to the Gentiles (non-Jews) by Jesus himself. (Acts 9:15) “Paul, an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead…” (Galatians 1:1 ESV) “Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,” (Romans 1:1). See also 1 Corinthians 1:1; Ephesians 1:1; Colossians 1:1; 1 Timothy 1:1 etc. Paul preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but never ‘replaced’ Jesus —how could he when Jesus had offered himself for sacrifice as an unblemished lamb? Jesus offered himself once, so that no future sacrifice would ever be needed. Jesus’ life was to be that required sacrifice—not to proclaim the Good News to the world. This he left to be the work of his numerous apostles, of which Paul was a special one allocated to the Gentiles. Their work was successfully accomplished, as Christianity is worldwide. With Jesus’ offering his body as a perfect sacrifice he fulfilled all that was represented in the Law of Moses, as is forcibly argued throughout the Book of Hebrews. In fulfilling the Law (as you admit) he made it redundant and obsolete. “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” (Hebrews 8:13) With the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD70, these words of Hebrews 8:13 achieved their fulfilment. The Law of Moses was done away, and replaced with the Law of Christ. The Sabbath observance was part of the Law of Moses, which is today obsolete, for it has its fulfilment in Jesus. “Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” (Matthew 11:29) The Sabbath law existed to remind the Jews of a future Sabbath (rest) that was promised, but lay yet future. We read of this in Hebrews Chapter 4: “Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.” (Verse 1) “Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.” (Hebrews 4:6-11) The Sabbath given to Moses was given solely to the Nation of Israel, God’s Chosen People. “Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:3) “You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven and gave them right rules and true laws, good statutes and commandments, and you made known to them your holy Sabbath and commanded them commandments and statutes and a law by Moses your servant. (Nehemiah 9:13-14) I believe your emphasis on Sabbath observance today is well intentioned but is misplaced. Jesus nowhere endorsed its continuation, and in fact he made it subservient to himself. “For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath” (Mathew 12:8) In making this statement he placed his authority over the Sabbath day, and by use of his authority he has made it an every-day rest. As already quoted, “Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” (Matthew 11:29) Therefore there is no case for insisting on a once-a-week day, when Jesus has made it a seven-days-a-we ek event. As Paul wrote (and prior to AD70): “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.” (Colossians 2:16-17) If we accept Jesus Christ, then ‘the substance’ is with us — we have no need or requirement to observe the shadow.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Suday Kumar Rout says:</title>
			<link>http://www.bible.org.nz/articles/keeping-the-sabbath.html#comment-15</link>
			<description><![CDATA[It seems that Jesus Christ has been replaced with Paul (a self styled apostle). At the outset of His famous Sermon on the Mount Jesus tells "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or Prophets ; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfil (Matt.5:17)." No weekly days has been mentioned in the Bible i.e. Sunday, Monday or Friday etc. Israelites were counting the days by observing the moon. Very simple commandment has been given by our Almighty Father God Through Moses that"Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God .... (Ex.20:8-9, 23:12)." God has not mentioned any name of the weekly day but commanded to keep a day out of seven days as sabbath for Him as a token of respect and reverence. Three very personal things God has provided to mankind. 1st. His only begotten son (John 3:16), 2nd. His Spirit (Eze.36:27) and 3rd.His own sabbaths (Eze.20:12).Whe n we are ready receive the first two gifts, then why not the third one?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Suday Kumar Rout</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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